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Friday, March 4, 2016

Why I'm An Outsider: Part Seven: The Rise of AG Playthings

And then there were six--at least, until that spring. 
The next chapter of my time in the mid-Aughties of the American Girl Fandom--circa 2006--follows the last chapter of my connections (for the most part) with any and all membership at AG Fans. They had pulled a Charles Lee/John Adams and shat the bed. A whole mess of people from AG > 18 had just been banned from their prohost boards in the wake of the moderating staff overreacting to the idea that there were people in the fandom--nay, in the world herself--that were not 100% Christian, straight, or monogamous, that they were doing their own thing and being happy about it, that we were looking at them or participating in their community, and/or and that some of them, someone, somewhere, might be talking about them behind their backs in an unflattering way. And then tried to feed us some lines about trolling.

In the wake of the Great Banning of Aught-Six, the new hub of American Girl fandom became AG Playthings. As people left AG Fans and their madness to wither like a neglected avocado plant in the harsh winters of Alaska, they went to the open doors of AG Playthings.1 And you know, for a good long while, AG Playthings was pretty okay to be at. With AG Fans locking down, AG Playthings was the place for news, sports, and weather Buy/Sell/Trade in the American Girl Fandom. It had its nasty aspects, and I plan to talk about them in depth in this and future posts. But they at least didn't start that way. They started as an open, accepting AG community that allowed dissident opinions, complaints, and even calling the mods out on their shit without the fear of being throw out on your ass to bounce down the road.2

Brief discussion of the Gang Situation. The AGGiR--for we were still living in Redmond--was now one member larger by that Giftmas, with the addition of Felicity Merriman, with all her pretty tribadism and her missing her Elizabeth--and not wanting the blonde one. She was best friends with Naomi, close to Addy as another Historical even though Addy had to school her on why her grandfather's plantation was an issue and Owning Slaves Was A Bad Idea, and had a crush on Marisol that Marisol didn't even get a whiff of. Yes, Lissie liked Brunettes, and a whole photostory was made about how she did and how the gang didn't judge her one bit for being queer. As Otters said outright: "I'm not going to give up my faith because of what other people think I should be. I'm a pagan, and I'm proud of it. Being a lesbian--a tribade--is part of who you are. Do your own thing and screw the haters." It was 69 pictures of dolls,3 full of the F word and blatant paganism, and out of respect for some of the members of AG Playthings, I did not post it there or even a link to it. But I did post it at AG > 18, and I did post Otters Teaches Paganism Part Four: Yule on AG Playthings with warm reception.

So what did I have to complain about? A lot. As 2006 became 2007 and Nicki replaced Jess, I continued to post on AG Playthings comfortably and be a content participant, work at Nintendo, and make good friends in the AG fandom. And things happened, for good and for ill. These are going to be in the order I took remembering notes in, because it was around six to seven months of AG Playthings participation mixed with AG > 18 participation.4 Also I have no access to anything AGPT anymore, obviously, so I can only go on my notes I've had.

None of these were big sweeping things like the Banning of Aught-Six or what would later be The Final And Complete Bannination of One, Nethilia from AGPT. But they were things that happened in, on, and around the fandom.

This one might be on the long side. Let's go. [/Alexander Hamilton]

Prologue: Not Such a Sweet Baby Face
Part One: Finding AG Fans, or How Periods are Bad For Children
Part Two: There's Fundies in My Fandom
Part Three: The Wicked Witch of Customizing and the Birth of AG > 18
Part Four: Halloween is for Jesus, or How Otters Offended a Nation
Part Five: The AG Fans Revamp: No Pagans Allowed 
Part Six: The Great Mass Banning of Aught-Six
  
Ballot Stuffing in Stockings for Giftmas, or Pagans Shan't Win Against Jesus

At the end of 2006, AGPT held a holiday picture contest, and well...it didn't go well.

Basically, it was just "post a picture about a holiday tradition you participate in with your dolls, no matter what December-Focused Holiday Celebration you celebrate." There were not actual prizes for a win or a place. It was just for fun and maybe a little glory. And so, in a community where I was allowed to be openly pagan,5 I posted a picture I had taken of Otters in front of the fire in her robes for Yule.

This one, in fact.
It took me multiple shots to get a good shot of her with no flash in the middle of the night on the longest night of the year. But it was pretty good, and I wrote briefly about how on Yule I would burn a fire all night starting late at night and until the sun rose the next morning, to encourage me to remember that the sun was coming back to warm the earth. A bunch of pictures were posted, quite a few of holiday trees and other Giftmas/Christmas stuff. There might have been a Hanukkah one or two, but it was mostly December 25th focused along with a whole lot of Saint Lucia, a deal that was mostly done because people had read about it in Kirsten's books. Mine was really the only pagan one.

And then, the mod that was part of the team that banned us submitted a picture. Of many of her dolls set up in a nativity scene. Complete with a stereotypical white robed blonde angel, The Mary, The Joseph, Wise Men, shepherds, and an AG baby-Jesus.6 In an actual nativity building set up. With her tradition being celebrating the "real" reason for the Season, otherwise known as Baby Jesus Birthday. 

When the voting opened, you were allowed to vote for three pictures, and the picture with the most votes won. The votes were public in that you could see the poll, but not who voted for what--but you could state which you voted for in the voting thread if you wanted. I took a few days to vote, but I watched the numbers and I was in first. So I felt really good about things.

When I voted, this wasn't a presidential election and I wasn't running, so I didn't vote for myself. I tended to vote for photocontests on a sort of three to four point scale: creativity (how different your choice was from everyone else's), clearness of shot/picture, and skill/complexity in the photo. And then I break ties by how I like the pics.  I voted for three--one that was BeanBunny's, one about mittens, and one about the Christmas Pickle.

Then I scanned the tallies a few days later.

You can see where this is going.

The nativity one was now leading by a long shot, with mine in second place after initially being in first. There had been a surge of votes for Mod Nativity. Many of the people who said they voted for it said a lot that they did it out of nostalgia, such as memories of being in nativity plays--at least that's what they said publicly. And I would have voted for a good nativity picture. I like good nativity set ups, even if they're not my thing. But it wasn't a really good one. Yes it had a lot of dolls in it, but the picture itself was blurry and not very creative. And of course, I wondered how many people liked but didn't vote for mine because a vote for Neth's picture was a vote endorsing the hellbound bastard pagans. Yes, that's emo and paranoid--not helped by the fact that the end of the year at this time was the very first stressful, emotionally draining period for me what with having to go to work at Nintendo the near entire week post Giftmas.  But I just felt marginalized again. I'd tried and once again I'm shot down by the fact that I was not the mainstream.

The votes came in, and while quite a few times my picture scooched up and tied with Nativity, it eventually won. And I could have handled that. I really could have.

If it hadn't been announced a few days later that most of the people were brand new members who had come from AG Fans--likely in some part on Mod's Direction--and only participated in that voting. And who did it in part when they saw the "hell" picture was winning.

The mods' reaction to this blatant bias was to lecture all the new people for causing that and swearing that it would never happen again in the future; they would check for bias in people signing up just to do things like that. But nothing else was done, since it was for bragging rights and not for any physical prizes. And there was a lot of fuss kicked up when the results were revealed, with more than a few people--not just AG > 18 people-- being more than a touch "wtf, Neth's picture was artfully posed and tweaked and in focus and everything!" And that's how I lost a holiday contest to people not even wanting my pagan ass to have that. I maybe sorta cried about it some. I cry about a lot of things.

It's not paranoia when they're really out to oppress you, you know. Yes, it was a mere picture contest, but Sweet Baby Jesus,7 were AG Christian collectors/AG Fans really that petty? Yes, in fact, they were.

Sig Wars Episode One: The Fundie Menace

Guess who came back for another round of American Girl Bigotry? Did you guess Tra? You're right! Tra--also known as CoG--I mentioned data about in Part Four. Recap on who she is: Take everything Fundie and White Supremacist, mix it up with some hate and anti-Semitic bullshit, and put it in all in the body of one jerk ass young woman. Have a shot to wash that out.

Well, Tra decided to become part of AGPT under the name CoG. Which as I explained, stood for Child of God. And after the lovely incident just above in which I lost a photo contest due to ballot stuffing--which she probably participated more than a little bit in--she decided that my coming in second and not being somehow struck down by her god was just too much for her Christian Supremacist Heart to take and she was going to have to get Jesus on me. So she edited her signature to read the following:
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;" ~Romans 3:10 
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10
Oh, she wanted to play this game with me. I see how it be. But she forgot that this wasn't AG Fans and I was not obligated to be nice to her anymore and the mods wouldn't really save her ass and would let me tear her a new one.8 So I adjusted my signature.

I read books and worse--I use them.
I put up the picture of Otters from "Lissie Likes Brunettes"--with pentacle visible, with "Brighter Blessed than Thee" shirt on, and with the Everything Paganism Book in her hands--and then put under the image the text:
Nine words the Eclectic Rede attest:
"Steal what works, fix what's broke, fake the rest."
9
Merry meet, merry part, and merry meet again.
Sig wars? I'll give you sig wars, girl.

Tra posted later that she was being attacked. I told her, in brief, that she was being disrespectful. And then the fangs came out. I actually have record of this, so I have her actual words, which are intertwined in part with how I clapped back at her. Typos have been fixed and things edited for flow--with a few footnotes--but not words/the message. Her words in italics, mine in plain.

Public Exchange: 

CoG: 
Respect is a tricky thing. I respect everyone, but I don't know if everyone has the same definition of respect as I do. Respect does not mean tolerating every single thing...even if it is immoral nor does it mean saying that everyone's definition of moral is equal. It does not mean that we let everyone go about doing their own thing no matter who it harms. My best definition of respect, I suppose, could be best summed up by the m-w definition:
3 a : high or special regard : ESTEEM b : the quality or state of being esteemed c plural : expressions of respect or deference. A high regard of everyone...yes, that is a good definition. :)
Of course, respect is more than a feeling. It is a way of treating and acting toward others.


Me:

See, now I'm going to have to be mean because you're talking to me like I'm stupid and that just makes me into the avatar of Athene's Wrath (with her being my primary goddess--wisdom and war go together and Sekmet is a BAD choice to keep in the laws of not cursing).

CoG, if you have to like what I do or approve of it or "tolerate" it--and I loosely use that word, because hemming and hawing and having to decide if you can put up with my faith isn't tolerance worth a Mint in Box Lindsey--to respect me or use your morality to define the level of respect you think I deserve then say so. Don't move your fingers to type that you may or may not respect me. Because you DON'T. Just say it. It's much more honest to say to my face you don't respect me than to play word semantics and dance around the fact and play "Webster Says" like I've walked on this earth over 26 years in this reincarnation and haven't ever looked in a dictionary. (Might I add that I was raised with the edict that any word you have to use a dictionary to define every time you use it is not a word you should be using. The dictionary is a guidebook, not a list of how we HAVE to use a word.)

If you think I'm "harming myself" by being a pagan--because the salvation of my immoral soul is somehow your personal mission or something-- say so. If you somehow want to make it a mission to show me the "error" of having a faith that I've come to in open honesty, and it just sets you afire that I'm not following your faith, just say it to my face, and we can end this little bob and weave you're doing and throw punches like real atheletes. That in the darkness should be drawn into the light.

But don't talk to me like I'm stupid. I may be a lost little pagan, but Mama didn't raise no fool and she doesn't want to be spoken to as one. Spit it out or swallow it, and stop swishing it around in your mouth.

(Then, Before we could really get into it, SailAway asked me to take it off visible board and to PM--not because it was mean and hateful, but because she didn't want an outright flame war on the boards between us, even if it was clear that CoG was about to, as we say nowadays, get dragged.)

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PM From CoG 1: 
You took this the wrong way. I am not trying to talk to you like you're stupid nor am I trying to say I don't respect you as a person. I figured you defined respect differently than I do because many people's definition of respect is "tolerating everything" and that' s not what respect is. I was simply trying to explain to you what my definition of respect is. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

First PM Reply from me:
"You took this the wrong way." First call of the backpedler: "I didn't mean it like that!" I'm sorry, no, try again, and this time don't play all martyr. I'm not nailing you to your cross.

"I am not trying to talk to you like you're stupid nor am I trying to say I don't respect you as a person."
Except for that part where you said that you can't respect people who do things you can't "tolerate." All you've heard about really is my beliefs and you can't even deal with THAT. You sure don't respect my faith, as you've shown inadvertently time and time and TIME again. And I do things that trust me, if I were to go into detail, you wouldn't tolerate hearing about, must less witnessing.
 

"I figured you defined respect differently than I do because many people's definition of respect is "tolerating everything" and that' s not what respect is. I was simply trying to explain to you what my definition of respect is." No, it appears you define respect as "only if you do what I think you should according to my faith, and have I mentioned that I'mm just nip and poke at you the whole time and try to make you feel shame and embarassment about what you believe spiritually." And then tried to play the dictionary like it was your own personal versebook. 

"Please stop putting words in my mouth." Spit them out like a big girl and I won't be forced to reach in to get them. I swear, this is like fishing quarters out of my 2 year old niece's mouth. At least doing that I get paid for my time.

Any more replies will be after I've gotten some sleep. Grown folk gotta go to bed and work in the morning.


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I then went to work and came back to more hinkey shit.

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PM from CoG 2: 
I've already told you what my definition of respect is and what it isn't. You keep putting words in my mouth. You've got it set in your mind that I meant a certain thing and now you won't let go of it. If you must keep believing that I don't respect you, then fine. It is true that I don't respect your religion but that is different from not respecting you as a person. You may take that any way you like...you seem to take everything I say any way you like.

I am not backpeddling. When I say something I mean then I will own up to it. When someone puts words into my mouth then I will spit them out like the foul tasting brew they are.


My Reply 2:
"I've already told you what my definition of respect is and what it isn't." And I told you that it's nothing more than a backhanded way to say that you don't respect me, and it's be less cowardice to just say it instead of pretending to.

"You keep putting words in my mouth."
Don't have to put in what's sitting behind your tongue.
 

"You've got it set in your mind that I meant a certain thing and now you won't let go of it. If you must keep believing that I don't respect you, then fine." Funny, how I tend to have things set in my mind that are true to me (and don't have to be true to everyone) instead of poking around.

"It is true that I don't respect your religion"
Took you long enough to stop lying to my face.

"but that is different from not respecting you as a person."
Not really. Saying "Oh, I like you, but your religion is wrong and I think you're doomed to eternal damnation" isn't respecting me as a person, contrary to all the convoluted thinking that you might have. Backhanded remarks about my faith and little digs at trying to change me isn't respecting me anymore than telling me that I [greatly desire or lust after]10 to stop acting so "black" is. Would you like it if I did the same thing to you and tried to get you to follow paganism, making little snipes about how no one is happy without Aphrodite's love and Isis's protection and the chaos in Eris? I'm pretty sure your lord said something about loving people without the caveat that you [greatly desire or lust after] to insult their faith. 

"You may take that any way you like...you seem to take everything I say any way you like." Oh, poor persecuted you. I'd play the world's tiniest violin but you couldn't hear it over your sobbing and you've taken all the wood to carry that cross of yours. Silly girl, martyrdom is for the gods not the mortals.
 

"I am not backpeddling." Except for that part where you are.

"When I say something I mean then I will own up to it. When someone puts words into my mouth then I will spit them out like the foul tasting brew they are." T
hen start spitting. You keep it there any longer and your teeth will stain. Oh, And next time you want to talk about me, do it a little quieter. My ears burned like fire before bed.


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CoG PM3:
You make plenty of snipes about me and my religion and don't deny it. I'm not even talking about what you do on other boards. You are one of those who always say how we're oh-so-intolerant and how you're oh-so-persecuted because you don't get Samhain off like we get Christmas off, etc.. ::) Look who's talking about acting the martyr.

I love everyone just like I respect everyone. That has nothing to do with letting everyone do whatever they want regardless of if it harms them or others.

*sigh* I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this, and you insist on seeing things a certain, false, way. I can't convince you otherwise. Don't know why I even try. (And I can just picture your response to this: "Somebody call the waaaaambulance". ::) ).


My Reply 3:
"You make plenty of snipes about me and my religion and don't deny it." Oh, no, I've pointed out hypocrisy in society. You'll know when I'll snipe and actually go after you and your religion, cause your feelings will be hurt enough to leave the board. I like Christianity as a principle for other people to follow and improve their lives . I don't like people who use it as an excuse to be a narrow minded, pig headed, rude little muffin of hypocrisy and try to run mine.

"I'm not even talking about what you do on other boards." I'm on three boards and this is the only one you ever see me on, so where else you been looking? My comm's closed now and many of me and mine were so ceremoniously prebanned form the other board you mod.11

"You are one of those who always say how we're oh-so-intolerant and how you're oh-so-persecuted because you don't get Samhain off like we get Christmas off, etc.. ::)" When you say "You [greatly desire or lust after] to convert to Jesus because your faith is wrong and mine is right" you're not tolerant. When you get all your holidays off de facto and everyone else has to ask and you think that's fair, that's not tolerant. When you get represented everywhere and throw a titterfit when people who aren't ask for some airtime too and get it and you can't tell them to shut up, that's not tolerance. That's religious hypocrisy and I'll call you on it.

"Look who's talking about acting the martyr." Hey, pot? You're looking blacker than normal. That a new dipping?

"I love everyone just like I respect everyone. That has nothing to do with letting everyone do whatever they want regardless of if it harms them or others." You can quote that left and right, that love the sinner hate the sin, "I love you but you're being bad" crap till the end times comes and we're all swept to the Summerlands, but it's bullshit, and I don't believe a word of it, sweetcheeks. It's all excuses to pretend that the only way you can love people is to hurt them, and I've already had one abusive relationship.12 Not getting into another.

*sigh* Oh, it sucks to be you, it sucks to be you, you're SOOO picked on, people complain about blond dolls when they point out the lack of diversity, and oh, people are doing things you think are wrong, and you can't preach to people and tell them their faith is wrong. Why if your life sucked any harder you'd implode. Is that what you wanted to hear? Throw the pity party elsewhere, I've got this hall booked for Imbolc.

I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this, and you insist on seeing things a certain, false, way. In other words, "You're wrong cause I say you're wrong." Of course we can't see eye to eye. Yours are glued shut and you see nothing in your blindness.

I can't convince you otherwise. Don't know why I even try. Pretty much. I'm a damn dirty pagan and proud of it. Take the conversion elsewhere, we're all sold out of caring here.

(And I can just picture your response to this: "Somebody call the waaaaambulance". ::) ). Actually, it's more like "I don't care. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the hell over yourself. My best friend [PNG]13 calls the wambulance. I just tell people where to go and what to do when they get there, and it generally involves something completely unwholesome.

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CoG, PM 4:
Think what you want. I give up on you.

My reply 4:
Okay.

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And that was the whole exchange. CoG continued to be an obnoxious Christian bigot, but she didn't come at me again directly. I later changed my sig, but only after she changed hers. To paraphrase the Princess Bride quote: CoG fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against Nethie, a Devotee of Grey Eyed Athene, when Actual Logic is on the line."

Intermission: You Deserve A Break So Far

Did you make it through all that hinkey-shit? You deserve a break. Have what Addy received for her first birthday party after I got a job, and then I'll give you a non-board but just as dumb thing.

Happy Birthday, Addy!
For the record, it was her entire Birthday collection that I didn't already have--the Lazy Susan Table and Chairs, Ironstone Compote Set, Addy's Party Treats--and her lunch. The year before Addy hadn't gotten anything, because I had to take an unexpected trip to Texas when my grandmother was dying.

Not pictured: Addy's Birthday Dress.


Ooop, there it is!

Now back to the bullshit.

Fake Out!, or Lies about AG Stores 

In March, a post started to disseminate around the AG fandom written by an outsider on a blog called, of all things, One of Those Horrible Moms. Defunct now, but at the time it became a big thing when the blogger posted a post called "Fake, out!"   For those that don't want to read a nine year old post about American Girl Place that means absolutely nothing?

The blogger said (as related to her secondhand from the mother that took her child to the store) that her six year old daughter at some point, went to the NYC AG place, which was located where the family lives. Mum learned about the place from a tourist guidebook, and the website says, "Bring your favorite doll for a day of fun and styling and joy!" So Little Girl took her favorite, a Target off brand doll she saved up the whole 30 bucks for--what we know as a Our Generation Doll--and went with a friend and her family to the AG Place. At the salon, Small Girl handed over the doll and her twenty bucks for her turn at the salon prettyfication--and the stylist said to the small girl's face this wasn't a real AG doll in the meanest voice she could. And when the girl started crying, the Stylist held her ground against doing any hair on this super fake not real AG doll. And then all the rich mommies around her who see her with her So Fake Doll started to talk about her and cut her down in front of their uppity rich children like a scene out of a fairy tale. and she cries and cries and cries and is so inferior with her poor knockoff doll, the sally walker crying in the saucer. Boycott AG! ROUSE THE TROOPS! That post apparently still gets comments on it talking about poor pitiful little girl, even though it's almost ten years old and Small Girl is probably on Snapchat or Instagram somewhere or enjoying Vines and Taylor Swift.

I had stuff to say about this on my LJ (later transferred to my DW, where the link points) because people who knew I was into AG pointed the link towards me and if I never said anything I was going to keep getting it. My opinion basically boiled to "Of all the Shit That Didn't Happen At An AG Store, this was in the top three." As was later pointed out in the comments, the mother claimed they lived in a "Impoverished brownstone in Brooklyn," which started at the time at around a million bucks and is generally filled with the yuppie mummys. So it all seems like embellishment for hits, and she got them. She never followed up on her post, other than to say that she refused any requests for interviews or compensation from AG, because she wanted them to pay for their mean to her precious child and the bad to stay out. And the holes in the story got ripped into giant gaping questions.

Some of my opinions in my old post have since changed--for one, I'm down to take my gang to the AG store for a hairstyle as long as it's a case of me getting something cool added in like flower clips or a tiara, and for another I do look up stuff about living in Seattle now if it's something I wouldn't have known about even after over ten years living up here. But to this day I still don't think Small Girl got pointed and laughed at by Rich Mommies in the Evil AG store. In fact, with a local AG store, I have seen many a small child run through with a non-American Girl Brand Dolltm that has gotten their hair styled, ribbons and all. AG Salon people will do off brand hair.  They just let the nearest adult know that, if something goes wrong, they're not responsible for any damage and won't repair or compensate for a damaged doll.

In conclusion: Shit that Didn't Happen--or at least, 95% Didn't Happen As Documented. 

History is Not A Mystery, or QNPoohBear Doesn't Know Her Shit

Let's talk about historical clothing and a woman who goes by QNPoohBear. QNPB--because fuck if I'm typing that whole name out every time--was and maybe still is the mod of the AGPT historical board.

All her history sticks to whatever the books say, and no depth beyond that. If an AG book didn't say it, to her it's not verified as true, and if it did it was set in stone. The section of the board was supposed to be a place where people discuss historical aspects of the AG dolls. But some of that stuff in there bordered on TW;WR (Too wrong, won't read). But you can't and couldn't correct her, oh noes. Because she knew a someone who said she was right and she'd totally get the link for you later but not now, and BTW Stealth Delete your post!

She ran that forum, all right. Into the ground. 

Epic failures are epic. And yes, that's an image of her group.
So in one of the threads on "history" about children's clothing, she says that Addy's Cape Island Dress is actually for a boy,  and says that the wide neckline indicated it was for a boy, because girls only wore tight to the throat necklines, and Welcome to Addy's World book says this when pointing to a boy's dress it's based on. (Pg 19 in said book, if you're looking.) Which is completely wrong. PNG mentioned that, no, that dress is mislabeled in the book as a boy's dress but it was clearly a girl's dress. It happens to be the one that is based on a dress that is verified as belonging to a girl in the 1860s. QNPB gets all "The book must be right! I know a source I'll dig up later that proves it's a baby boy's dress!"
 
So what do I do? Post the fucking facts through the multiple Civil War links I have, explaining that the dress is clearly made for an older child. That really, after age three or so, when a boy was breeched because they were potty trained, they didn't need dresses anymore for access to diapers though some wore them until about age five or so with shorts under. That the dress in the book is made for an eight year old, long past when a boy would be wearing dresses. That most day to day baby clothes were white, because they had to be washed and cleaned frequently. I researched that shit outside of an AG book and quoted my sources. I even linked to the Wisconsin Clothing Collection dress, which states that it was wore by a girl. It is clearly labeled a girl's dress in the notes: "Worn by Anny Lyall (b. c. 1863) , of Verona, Wisconsin, and made by her mother, Mrs. James Lyall." At best, it is a toddler GIRL'S dress. Not a boy's. Nope. Nothing doing.

QNPB does not like being wrong. So she deleted my post, claiming that she's trying to keep the thread about the children's clothing collection, please. Read: she doesn't like it when people show she's wrong. And then reposted it, so it had her name on it.

Oh hell to the naw. Bitch, don't you delete my well researched shit because I embarrassed your ass. What she knows about clothing history barely fills a kindergartner's placemat, and she insists that fashions have to all be one style and one style only--e.g that everyone in the 1900s would have worn drop waist skirts with bouson tops. Thing is, I know my Civil War clothing shit. I know my clothing shit. I don't and didn't have phantom sources that I totally had to go seek out first before saying I'm right. I cross ref every fucking thing I know twice to make sure I'm not full of shit, instead of relying on one lecture by a secert friend to tell me that Kirsten would have had bangs and that the Victorian Era lasted after Queen Victoria died, rather than question the Goddess Pleasant. And when I'm wrong? I correct my knowledge. I don't double down and then delete things that have shown me as wrong.

And you don't delete my shit and repost it with your name on it to take the credit. I did the motherfucking work.

Web fora are not places for you to lord your ignorance as a mod. They are a place where discussions happen, even if they make you look bad And you certainly do not repost my well researched shit under your name. No fucking dice, Frodo. I wanted that post down, and if needed I was well prepared to throw an epic fucking tantrum to make it come down, because I did the work of finding the information. I PMed another mod--EofA--demanding that the post she made with my work get deleted and get deleted now. And then I publicly called her out on taking my work and reposting it. That motherfucker came down, as well as all the links I had made, but I had backed it up to a notepad file.

And then QNPB gave me a backhanded PM.

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From QNPB:

Nethilia
Thank you for the information on children's clothing. I would have appreciated it if you had taken up your problem by PM with me rather than hashing it out on the board and PMing another moderator.
I did post a message saying I was moving the post. I don't have the power to transport a whole post from one spot to the other. I had to delete it and move it. I will delete the repost as requested as well as the conversation which follows.

I welcome any information you have to add to the thread as long as it pertains to the topic. If you have another information which you would like to share, please feel free to start a new thread. In the future, if you have a problem with me or my moderating methods, politely PM me first and we'll talk about it and then we will go to a Global mod if necessary.

Thanks for contributing to the history class.
Robin


My reply:
"I would have appreciated it if you had taken up your problem by PM with me rather than hashing it out on the board and PMing another moderator." I would have appreciated it if the post not been deleted and instead you have PMed me before you did that, thus making me think that the best way to deal with a public removal was a public calling out. On most boards, the procedure is to ASK the OP before moving a post, not move and then say it was done UNLESS it is completely off topic (which a comment to a thread about historical clothing in a historical clothing thread is not) And I tend not to PM the person who deleted my posts without any warning, because that shows to me that he/she is probably not going to be easily spoken to on my end, it cheeses me off, and my tongue is sharp when I'm angry.

"I did post a message saying I was moving the post. I don't have the power to transport a whole post from one spot to the other. I had to delete it and move it." You could have asked before you did that, whereupon I would have started my OWN thread. It's commonly known nettiquette to not move a post without any warning, and mods should know nettiquette so as to avoid tension/perceived abuse of mod powers from members. You didn't have to move the post without asking at all. You CHOSE to. Big difference.

"I will delete the repost as requested as well as the conversation which follows." Good.

"I welcome any information you have to add to the thread as long as it pertains to the topic." It was pertaining to the topic and was about the clothing that was shown in the thread. [PNG]'s first post was about how the dress was mislabeled, which I clarified in my own post afterwards.

"If you have another information which you would like to share, please feel free to start a new thread." I'd feel more eager to post my information if I wasn't worried that, if my post is not enough on topic according to you parameters, that it might just get BLATANTLY DELETED WITHOUT ANY WARNING. That's not cool whatsoever, and it does not contribute to people wanting to share the things they know if they think that stuff might just dissapear into the ether. If I hadn't backed up my post, it would have been completely lost from the fomat it was originally in. People who want to add to a forum do not want to even bother if they suspect that hours of research can be removed and lost with a click and a "sorry, not on topic in this thread."

"In the future, if you have a problem with me or my moderating methods, politely PM me first and we'll talk about it and then we will go to a Global mod if necessary." In the future, don't delete my posts at all unless I'm clearly trolling/grossly off topic (which I don't do on AG Playthings) and there won't be any problems with me.

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I reposted the post in its own thread, which she bitched about because it should all just be under the topics she started. My participation in the historical forum dropped more than a bit. I was not in the mood for people rewriting historical facts to fit their agendas.

Especially when they couldn't dress a doll properly to save their entire ass. Oh, there was more crap she did, but we'll leave it off here and leave the rest for later. 

Let's Commemorate Slavery with Phillis Wheatley! 


There was a member named Rexphiles. I already didn't care for her. Not only does she have a doll of Jeanne Wakatsuki--a real person who spent time in a Japanese interment camp,  made of a Jess in Molly's clothes14--she also has "Phillis", who is an Addy who is bald and waiting on her wig (the wig seen above hadn't arrived yet as of the thread), dressed in Felicity clothes and wearing glasses, with little research. It's in July when she makes a terrible post. She states, and I quote, "To commemorate Phillis Wheatley's sale into slavery tomorrow, July 11th, I'm posting a work-in-progress photo."15

Excuse me, what? We're now using the date noted of a small black child being sold like an animal as a date to post more doll pictures? Childthursday is the first to call her out on it, and she's like "I'm not celebrating this! I'm commemorating this and teaching my biracial child!" Proof that having black children doesn't teach people anything about racism.

Firinel lets her know that yes, she is celebrating it and she has been offensive with both this and her Jess in Internment camp, and that having a biracial daughter doesn't suddenly make her any less racist and she's using her child as a "but I can't be racist" shield. You don't use dating/having/knowing/being friends with/being parent to minorities as an absolution of racism. It's NOT cool. It's like saying "I'm not a misogynist, my wife's a female!" That doesn't change your terrible opinions.

rexphiles posts that she is literally in tears for having her parenting style questioned and asks for the thread to be deleted because controversy. It is.

And here's the thing. I could have dealt with seeing another "Phillis" pic, just like I have learned to see really bad pics of Samantha dolls being made into "Anastasia" or Molly being put in 50s teen clothes (Molly would have been half grown during the 50s.) I could have even bit my tongue and not snarked, as much as I hated her Addy made Phillis. It was the "I'm doing this because it's the anniversary of someone being SOLD like a animal" that pushed me straight into "OMGWTFSTFU." 

Itty Bitty AGPT and AG > 18 Shit

The little things that don't deserve their own heading and can go in a list, likely because I don't have access anymore to the actual threads on AGPT.

* I made a lovely green floral dress for Felicity and posted it on the board. The Mod that Banned Us, Jeanette (and E-mailed me all that shit) was like "oh you're so talented and skilled at doll clothes!" My eyes twitched and I personally wished she'd never say anything on anything I ever posted again.
* A member of AGPT, NellieGirl who was a friend of QNPB, continued to insist that she was the force behind the creation of the Best Friends Line, having made a hair cut brown haired Classic Mold Nellie and writing up a proposal she mailed in, and they clearly had used her proposal to get the idea. We all continued to shake our heads at her shenanigans.

Not the Nellie at all.
* A bunch of tiny AG boards pop up and crash in a short time; the owners beg for our joining in order to become populars. We are not amused.
* prasnlrd--she of morsel slurping--joins AGPT, but later wanders off because it's not paying enough attention to her or something.
* We complain about terrible names for dolls. Miley comes up as a "where did this come from?" We mention the girl that plays Hannah Montana because she is popular with the youth. If we'd only known.
* AG > 18 is trolled by our first anon. We have grown up.
* One of the mods does an epic smackdown (that I can no longer see). We all have a crush for a while.
* AG Fans, still breathing at this point, holds Miss Hoe-stBoard 2006 in the start of 2007. I'll let you make your own jokes.
* AG retires things often. People cry that all the Goodies of St. Pleasant are being destroyed for Plastic Barbie Garbage and they are done with AG forever. They continue to buy things anyways. This is a trait in fandom.
* In exchange for Addy's Nighttime Necessities, I make a salwaar kameez set for one of the mods. It looks good.
* The Addy Play debuts in Seattle. I end up going three times in total.
* A woman with six kids who defines herself by nothing else--she goes by Quivermom so I have my suspicions on her family outlook--pops up in the AG community. She starts to buy gobs of AG stuff. We're talking "I have purchased five Kirstens" levels of purchasing. And she doesn't allow her children to touch or play with her dolls--it's for her and her alone. Also her children tend to tear up everything they play with for some reason. Practically no one on AG > 18 likes her and many people on AGPT think very little of her. It's while semi-bragging that her sons don't dare get video games because they won't retain value like a "Pre Mattel" doll will that I and several other members proceed to sharply educate her on how AG, while adorable, is not a  goddamn investment and her children likely can't stand her doll collection. I still manage to have levels of jealous because with her ability to chuck four digit numbers at AG stuff, she gets Addy's Trunk, which was my AG Grail Item.16
* Julie is announced and the leaks start. Older collectors start to piss, whine, and lament that their era is now history. They foam at the mouth to learn that she has divorced parents because OMG SIN.
* Someone decides that, in a thread on AGPT suggesting fantasy ideas for playsets/accessories for Historicals, a good playset for Addy would be of her on the plantation. As a slave. With the tobacco plants she has to pick grubs from. I want to cut a bitch. When the poster gets called out, Sail Away says we shouldn't fuss at a child who was trying to cover every historical. This is not a good sign for future interactions.

*~*~*

Yes, there was big messy shit and little hinkey shit. But overall? Between AG > 18 and AGPT, I was really enjoying being in American Girl Collecting communities, even with all the issues. AGPT was the main school, and AG > 18 was where we all went and the "bad kids" hung out and vented our rage. For a brief while a board run by Jane called AG Enthusiasts was kicking, but it later petered out from lack of interest and AGPT being the big game in town.

Either they're clinging to my leg or hugging me. Either way, we'll need it.
That spring, I purchased Kaya and Josefina in a private sale, and so they joined the AGGiR in March in a dual debut. I then resolved that I would not add any more gang members until my Bae and I moved to a bigger place because eight was a huge amount.17 

Well with the summer came good news and bad news. The good news was we got a new apartment that summer, and moved and the AGGiR became the AGGiB.

The bad? 

....

That summer was when PNG and I had the falling out that still hurts my heart to think about to this day, and I almost lost being a part of AG > 18 completely. 

Part Eight: Summer Chaos in AG > 18 and Persona Non Grata, or How I Got Banned (Temporarily) From A Goddamn Community I Started

--Neth

1 Recent reports from those still with toes in the water say that they have since closed the board to new members. Um...y'all enjoy that, that's how AG Fans died.
2 Fun fact? When AG Playthings started, they were associates with AG over 18, and some of their mods posted there to vent some of the issues they had with members--notably SailAway. Yeah, that fell apart later on, but it was a thing.
3 I did not plan that. 
4 Along with something else going on. I'll get to it.
5 At the time. 
6 Not Bitty Babies, thank gods. Two AG-doll scaled babies that were about 9" big were released: Felicity's baby sister Polly in a cradle and a modern baby in a stroller, both in 2005.
7 I did plan saying it like that. 
8 AGPT, why you fuck up so hard? 
9 Still works as a rede.
10 At this point, young teens--squealers, we called em--were so well known for screeching that they needed AG things that had come out with that the word filter on AGPT changed any instances of "need" to "greatly desire or lust after" in hopes to get them to stop. So if you see that phrase, that's what happened. I didn't change the word "need" and I'll mark this with brackets.
11 When AGF did the Great Banning, CoG decided to preban us too, for reasons only her small mind can fathom.
12 When I was sixteen. It's a story of manipulation, pressure, age gap dangers, and getting my back teeth knocked out that I'd rather not go into on this blog.
13 That hurt to read and then edit out.
14 The many calls for a Japanese Interment Camp Doll to cover Asian American history is one of my big "stop that" topics. Can we not have a doll of that? Please? It was a humiliating situation and wrong and we should remember it without glorifying it.   
15 I saved the thread before it was deleted. So no, you're not looking at AGPT specifically, that's just my mirror I saved before the purging. The links likely don't even work anymore. 
16 I have it now. Story to come. 
17 Ah ha ha hah.

24 comments:

  1. Be glad you're not apart of the Melody fiasco. Some of the comments would probably put you in a fury. Honestly, some people on AGPT have no respect for diversity and if a doll doesn't look like Samantha Parkington, Julie Albright, or Saige Copeland, she's ugly. And that includes all the dolls of color.

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    1. I'm not speaking for Neth, just myself, but "cunt" is a really misogynistic and terrible word, and I really don't think you should use it to refer to people.

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    2. Cunt literally means "vagina". If you're going to be offended by a slang word that means vagina, then that's your problem.

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    3. Not Neth either, but cunt (a word I personally like reclaiming but I understand why people don't and it's not a word I use casually or as an insult) is a word with a misogynist history much bigger than "vagina". It's a word used to apply to women (exclusively women, regardless of how you meant it) for speaking out, speaking up, or otherwise offending men by existing. Just about every woman has a story about how she (or another woman she knows) was called that by a man.
      It's a curious choice of word to defend its use as an insult on a blog that's solidly anti-kyriarchy.

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    4. ....It's literally not a big deal.

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    5. Actually, it literally is. It's a gendered slur.

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    6. As everyone above me has said, it is a gendered slur, and I'd rather you not use it on my blog. Cunt may literally mean the vagina, but in slang it is used to demean and degrade people by comparing them to women, and thus making them lesser than.

      Furthermore, there is no "magic" in American Girl selling items at other stores such as Target, Costco, or the like. You are buying a product. To imply that something is lost in having AG sell items outside of the stores and online is a classist statement, because it makes it out as if those stores somehow demean the line. Especially when using the words "cheap products" and "ruining their vision" and claiming that having AG sold at other stores is such a heinous crime that it would be better to destroy the brand altogether rather than reach another audience.

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    7. I look at "cunt" as the same as using the word "bitch". Both are really demeaning and have been used to demean other women. Is "bitch" okay to use here?

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  3. This took me a bit to comment because I had to go away for awhile and do something else after reading the horribleness of what that awful woman did with the doll commemorating the day a child was sold into slavery. This is horrible on its face, but add to the fact the woman is raising a Black child and I get... well, more upset than I'm able to write. Let ALONE the fact this is done in the name of the first Black woman published in the US.

    More confirmation at your bravery and strength for not only getting through all of this horrible bs but being able to write about and articulate your experiences, let alone go on to found a messageboard seeking to be a refuge from all of that so other people don't have to go through this.

    With the important stuff out of the way, some random observations?

    + Whenever I see your Otters, I want an Otters! I know you've done the great photo series with her, have you ever written (or tried writing) books for her like for Edith? Excuse me while I get all dreamy-eyed at that possibility.

    + The only reason I can think of for AG to produce an American Girl sized baby for the modern line would be the popularity of babysitting (or at least the idea, since most of them probably still are babysat) among the demographic? Was that still a thing then, I wonder, since the Babysitters Club books have died down in popularity with the turn of the last century. Also I could see fundies really reaching like they always do and saying that AG is encouraging children to have babies or something.

    + I've somehow never come across the Eclectic Rede before now despite all my years as a Pagan. I love it!

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    1. Totally off-topic for this post, but I wanted to share something nice. My mother is between Maryellen and Melody in age (heh, we should all list our ages in relation to the historicals) and one of my aunts is about Melody's age. I was so charmed by your cherry dress for Edith, I showed it to my mother recently. My mother immediately remembered buying a dress VERY similar for her sister (as a teen, she spent the money she made working buying new clothes for her sister so she could have something new now and then) AND in 1964! My mother said that the material was slightly different, but the bodice was identical to your dress and so was the blouse! Knowing how poor my mother's family were, they probably still have it, so I should find it and get a picture!
      That's my long-winded way of saying you really do your homework! Not that there was any doubt, but I didn't expect my mother to have bought something so similar and the exact same year.

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  4. I believe at least some of the story about little Etta and her fake doll are true. I believe the stylist did tell her she couldn't style the doll's hair, and that some other customers in line may have snickered and talked. I don't, however, believe that the stylist was really that cruel or that Etta was as poor as her mom made her out to be.

    I've always thought that when Etta was told she couldn't get her doll's hair done, she threw a tantrum, holding up the line and causing other customers to get impatient with her. And if the stylist did get rude, who could blame her? There's nothing more irritating than a little kid throwing a fit in a store.

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  5. Don't you have anything better to do than just sitting around complaining about AG and white people?? I'm white and don't appreciate your comments and criticism about people like me, thank you very much.
    Cuss all you want. Someone will report your blog eventually, and don't say you didn't see it coming.
    My daughter is just getting into the world of AG blogs, so naturally it wasn't long until she found yours. She took one look at a post and reported the site to me. I am appalled that you can and did take a children's toy and turn it into a blog where you use bad language and manners just for the "fun" of it. Change your attitude.

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    1. LMAO cry harder, cracker! and don't let the door hit you on your way out! <3

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    2. Troll game weak af. I bet you're like sixteen and super starved for attention, any attention. Find a better hobby than whining on blogs, kiddo. Get a snapchat or something.

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    3. [plays the world's tiniest violin] bye sis!

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    4. As someone getting a degree concentrated on education (and as a white person!), if your daughter is young enough that this blog is a problem for her to see (in the sense that it's something she feels the need to "report" to you), she probably is not old enough to be on the internet unattended (or without a site blocker of some sort helping to keep her out of more mature corners of the internet). Neth's own sidebar says this blog is rated "R" and likely to use cuss words as well as that this blog does not shy away from delving into issues that intersect with the doll fandom that are important to cover, oppression, ostracism, bullying, and the like among them.

      Adult collectors exist, and they are allowed to be on the internet as much as your daughter (and depending on your daughter's age, likely more). They are allowed to have blogs, and children do not have to visit said blogs just because they are about American Girl, particularly when said blogger openly states in the sidebar that they might curse, which is within their right as an adult and a Blogspot user (cursing is not against Blogspot's terms of service and is not a reportable offense).

      I don't know if you were trying and failing to troll, but frankly, I don't care. There are lots of places for your daughter in the AG fandom, but she doesn't have to have every space for herself and not every space is going to be safe for her depending on her developmental level. From someone who used to be a self-declared "Netsmartz kid", perhaps you should use yours and recognize that if this site (mild, as the internet goes) is a problem for your daughter that she felt the need to report to you (rather than avoid on her own), you probably need to more closely monitor or pre-screen her internet traffic, depending on her age.

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  6. I do understand. I do not want to cause an argument, but let me ask you something, Neicy P. and Boomdiada, what is your problem with white people?
    I appreciate Anonymous's kind suggestions.

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    1. Alright, let me try.

      I do'nt have a problem with white people - I am one. However, when you come onto a black woman's blog, on a post about her time in American Girl fandom and a lot of the issues therein (many of which have to do with the racism and privilege that is ingrained in it) and screech about how "you don't appreciate the comments and criticism" about white people, you are exactly proving her point about the racism and privilege ingrained in the fandom. You - and I, if I fell and hit my head on something hard and acted that way - can get away with that precisely because we are white. If Neth speaks up about how something is racist and hurtful as a black woman, she gets "But I didn't MEAN it to be racist" or told to sit down and shut up, or that some white person "doesn't appreciate it." Ya see? And this didn't stop when Neth was no longer on AGFans or AGPT (all of which, by the way, I and other people can verify that everything she's written in these Why I'm an Outsider posts is 100% true), it's continued, in the comments on this blog, and on Instagram.

      If the contents of Neth's blog are not something you want your child to see, I understand that. I think it's silly, because compared to a lot of other things I've seen on the internet (or the way she and I talk on a regular basis, which would make a crab fisherman blush) Neth's blog is mild. Besides, you can't "report" someone for swearing on the internet, cause it's not illegal. It's not even against Blogspot's TOS. However... Neth is speaking to some very hard truths in this blog: the racism that is ever so apparent throughout the American Girl collecting community, the privilege that is so apparent throughout the American Girl collecting community, and the inherent racism that comes from the company itself in their refusal to make a Girl of the Year that's darker than cooked oatmeal with cinnamon swirled in. These are things that your child should know about, so she doesn't carry it on in her own life. Because the only way change that needs to happen can happen is if we stop sitting back and saying that things like this are okay. You, and your daughter, can be the first step towards that.

      Read what she's written on this blog. Don't make it about you. And see if you can get your little one to do better in her life than people have done so far.

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    2. Sigh. Well, since I've been addressed personally....

      Who exactly said I had a problem with white people? In fact, my entire comment contains nothing whatsoever about you being white. AT ALL.

      Because I don't have a problem with white people.
      Same way I don't have a problem with men, straight people, rich people, cisgender people (I AM cisgender!), and member of any privileged group.

      My problem comes from when those people start trying to claim that they're being attacked merely by virtue of the marginalized people in that group (in this case, a Black woman) speaking out about their experiences of discrimination and oppression.

      Although I'm still fairly certain you're a troll claiming your poor daughter was corrupted by this blog (and why the blog is going to be "reported" ... to whom, exactly?) to lend credence to your comment (which is kinda supported by the fact you pretty much ignored other Anon's comments, other than to praise them as "kind", which call into question a lot of your claims and singled out my and Boom's flippant remarks), I'll try to explain something to you. METONYMY. Let me let some more erudite folks than I am explain it:

      "The reason oppressed groups say “___ are awful” instead of “some ___ are awful” is because including the word “some” allows individuals of that group to detach themselves from the problem and shuck the blame off and say “Well they aren't really talking about me so I can ignore their opinions”, whereas stating that an entire group of oppressors is awful makes the individual think whether or not they're included in the awfulness of that group and makes them consider their actions so that's why people say “Men are awful,” or “White people are awful,” and if you take it personally you’re getting angry at the wrong people."

      ---- twoforonebigegg

      "There’s this thing that none of you seem to know about called metonymy and it’s where you use a whole to stand in for a part. To give you an example, metonymy would be when someone says, “Washington is so corrupt these days,” and you understand that they do not mean that every citizen of Washington, D.C., or even every congressperson in Washington, D.C. is completely morally bankrupt, and that they are actually talking about the idea of Washington, D.C. and the structure that is in place being corrupt. When “America” goes to war, every single American does not simultaneously take up arms. When “the internet” attacks someone, every person with an internet connection does not become a hivemind of anger aimed at an individual.

      So when I say, “I hate straight people,” I am saying exactly what I mean. “I hate the system of oppression and homophobia that was set up by and benefits straights.” Metonymy. Boom.

      But furthermore, it’s not even that I “hate the oppression” (although I do). I also hate those who are complicit, who benefit from a system that I can’t access, and when I demand entry, deny that they had any part of it or received any benefits, and tell me that I should make it the same way they did - without any help."

      -- queervoicesonstraightvoices

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    3. Dammit, Blogspot ate my reply, I think. Oh well, take two.

      Since I was addressed personally for some reason...

      Who says I have a problem with white people? What about my snarky comment (still me, although I usually go by the I version of my name, not the Y) had anything to do with you being white?


      For the record? I don't have a problem with white people, same as I don't have a problem with men, straight people, cisgender people (I AM cisgender!), rich people, or any other privileged group. It's when members of a marginalized group (in this case, a Black woman) start talking about the discrimination and oppression they've experienced and someone from that privileged group (in this case, a white person) starts whining about how "Not ALLLLLL white people..!" and other derailing nonsense.

      Although I'm still not convinced you're not trolling for attention (as evidenced by the fact you didn't really address any of the good points the other anon called you out for and instead singled out me and Boom for our flip responses) and claiming you have a daughter to lend credence to your claim that this blog is going to get "reported" (to whom? And for what, exactly?), I'll tell you about something. It's called metonymy. I'll let some people more erudite than I am explain:


      "The reason oppressed groups say “___ are awful” instead of “Some ___ are awful” is because including the word “some” allows individuals of that group to detach themselves from the problem and shuck the blame off and say

      “Well, they aren't really talking about me so I can ignore their opinions,” whereas stating that an entire group of oppressors is awful makes the individual think whether or not they're included in the awfulness of that group and makes them consider their actions so that's why people say “Men are awful” or “White people are awful” and if you take it personally you’re getting angry at the wrong people."

      -- twoforonebigegg


      "There’s this thing that none of you seem to know about called metonymy and it’s where you use a whole to stand in for a part. To give you an example, metonymy would be when someone says, “Washington is so corrupt these days,” and you understand that they do not mean that every citizen of Washington, D.C., or even every congressperson in Washington, D.C. is completely morally bankrupt, and that they are actually talking about the idea of Washington, D.C. and the structure that is in place being corrupt. When “America” goes to war, every single American does not simultaneously take up arms. When “the internet” attacks someone, every person with an internet connection does not become a hivemind of anger aimed at an individual.

      So when I say, “I hate straight people,” I am saying exactly what I mean. “I hate the system of oppression and homophobia that was set up by and benefits straights.” Metonymy. Boom.

      But furthermore, it’s not even that I “hate the oppression” (although I do). I also hate those who are complicit, who benefit from a system that I can’t access, and when I demand entry, deny that they had any part of it or received any benefits, and tell me that I should make it the same way they did - without any help."

      -- queervoicesonstraightvoices



      "If you are part of a privileged group and have to constantly demand that somebody in an oppressed group say “not all (insert privileged group here) are like that”

      what you are really demanding is that they reassure you that you’re not like that and you’re not being held accountable

      which is a cowardly thing to do and also shows the great lengths you will go to in order to avoid examining your role in a toxic system."

      -- stvincentinexile

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  7. All right, that makes sense. I have to give you that. I have looked at the contents of this blog, and quite honestly, I like it. I just wish it was safe for my daughter. However, I understand not every place on the internet can be like that, and would very much appreciate if I could be forgiven for making assumptions and such. Thank you, and have a good day.

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  8. Great article again Neth! The AG fandom never fails to amuse me with its built in white privilege. I'm glad your forum and blog is here to help make this fandom the diverse and unique community it truly is. Please keep doing what you're doing and don't let the haters stop you.

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Trolling, pointless bigotry, and hating for the sake of hating will be removed, as will any post screaming "first" because no one cares. Cursing is fine, as I curse myself. I still expect you to act like you have home training. This is not a Free Speech Zone. I reserve the right to delete comments or tell you to piss off. You post, you stand by your words, and all the consequences of those words, even if that consequence is getting your ass handed back to you. Don't come in my space, spit on my floor, and expect me to call it a swimming pool. I can and will cuss your entire ass out. If I told you not to comment, and you comment, your comments will be deleted.

If you are under 13 your comments will be removed; you're too young to be on the internet unsupervised and you know it.